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Why could not D be correct in the second question?


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Henry Ford claimed that shorter hours led to greater productivity and profits. However, few employers matched either Ford’s vision or his specific interest in mass marketing a product — automobiles — that required leisure for its use,


Ford claimed his vision of productivity. However (as mention in the passage.The word signs a shift in tone of the passage) few workers were sutitable to accomplish this vision.

Answer is C. D is not mentioned in the passage. It is out of scope. The Unions in the passage did this

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few unions succeeded in securing shorter hours through bar gaining.
. The question indeed asks about the Ford's vision

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During the 1920s, most advocates of scientific management, Frederick Taylor’s method for maximizing workers’ productivity by rigorously routinizing their jobs, opposed the five-day workweek.

This sentence is almost impossible to follow. Most advocates of scientific management, Frederick Taylors...? Followed Frederick Taylors method? Were in opposition to Taylors method? There is key information missing here, and the sentence is grammatically incorrect. It's just a selection of independent clauses, circumscribed by "During the 1920s, opposed the five-day workweek".
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Re: OG_VPR # 20-21-22-23 During the 1920s, most advocates of sci [#permalink]
For the first question, why is C incorrect? Doesn't the passage describe different rationale for 5 hour work week and not? The scientific management says they use a pay differential to get higher productivity instead. But proponents of reduced work week, like Ford, said that shorter work time leads to higher productivity and profits. Or is "labor-management" not the same as the "scientific advisors" and the "reformers"? But by definition it just means management of labor, right and both these people have different POVs for management of labor?

Also this passage is confusing because it starts off wanting to reduce the work week from 5 day work week but then ends with still 5-day work week...So did people used to work a 6 day work week then?

So sorry, frustrated for this confusing passage.
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During the 1920s, most advocates of scientific management, Frederick Taylor’s method for maximizing workers’ productivity by rigorously routinizing their jobs, opposed the five-day workweek. Although scientific managers conceded that reducing hours might provide an incentive to workers, in practice they more often used pay differentials to encourage higher productivity. Those reformers who wished to embrace both scientific management and reduced hours had to make a largely negative case, portraying the latter as an antidote to the rigors of the former.

In contrast to the scientific managers, Henry Ford claimed that shorter hours led to greater productivity and profits. However, few employers matched either Ford’s vision or his specific interest in mass marketing a product — automobiles — that required leisure for its use, and few unions succeeded in securing shorter hours through bar gaining. At its 1928 convention, the American Federation of Labor (AFL) boasted of approximately 165,000 members working five-day, 40-hour weeks. But although this represented an increase of about 75,000 since 1926, about 70 percent of the total came from five extremely well-organized building trades’ unions.

As you can see from the portion above we do have as main idea the current status of an issue. Basically, a debate

We do have two visions of the issue we DO NOT have as C suggests a disagreement

Notice how the short passages are indeed nasty and they do not have a clear-cut structure, confounding the students. On the other hand, the long passage a more complicated but they follow a classic path or structure to analyze.

let me know Sir is something is still unclear to you

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Re: OG_VPR # 20-21-22-23 During the 1920s, most advocates of sci [#permalink]
. Those reformers who wished to embrace both scientific management and reduced hours had to make a largely negative case, portraying the latter as an antidote to the rigors of the former.

Is the reformer saying that they would use both reduced hours and pay differentials?

from the scientific management's view isn't the impact of routinization of work through reduced hours?
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. Those reformers who wished to embrace both scientific management and reduced hours had to make a largely negative case, portraying the latter as an antidote to the rigors of the former.

Is the reformer saying that they would use both reduced hours and pay differentials?

from the scientific management's view isn't the impact of routinization of work through reduced hours?


Sorry Sir

I did not get your point

Could help me to understand better so I can help you ??
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During the 1920s, most advocates of scientific management, Frederick Taylor’s method for maximizing workers’ productivity by rigorously routinizing their jobs, opposed the five-day workweek.

This sentence is almost impossible to follow. Most advocates of scientific management, Frederick Taylors...? Followed Frederick Taylors method? Were in opposition to Taylors method? There is key information missing here, and the sentence is grammatically incorrect. It's just a selection of independent clauses, circumscribed by "During the 1920s, opposed the five-day workweek".



This is definitely a weird sentence. But a better way to think of it is:

During the 1920s, most advocates of scientific management , Frederick Taylor’s method for maximizing workers’ productivity by rigorously routinizing their jobs, opposed the five-day workweek.

The clause in between is defining scientific management. It's the same structure as saying "Sally's dog, whose fur is brown, peed on the tree"
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For the first question, why is C incorrect? Doesn't the passage describe different rationale for 5 hour work week and not? The scientific management says they use a pay differential to get higher productivity instead. But proponents of reduced work week, like Ford, said that shorter work time leads to higher productivity and profits. Or is "labor-management" not the same as the "scientific advisors" and the "reformers"? But by definition it just means management of labor, right and both these people have different POVs for management of labor?

Also this passage is confusing because it starts off wanting to reduce the work week from 5 day work week but then ends with still 5-day work week...So did people used to work a 6 day work week then?

So sorry, frustrated for this confusing passage.


C: The reasons for a labor-management disagreement during the 1920s

C almost looks correct, but the passage does not mention any labor-management disagreement. If the passage talked about a specific instance where a labor union fought against a company's managers, then this would be correct. And you are right, there is no evidence that the reformers are also laborers, so they are not the same.

And you're right about the second part - the implication in this passage is that workers used to work more than 40 hours per week. This was never explicitly stated and is what makes this passage tricky.
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. Those reformers who wished to embrace both scientific management and reduced hours had to make a largely negative case, portraying the latter as an antidote to the rigors of the former.

Is the reformer saying that they would use both reduced hours and pay differentials?

from the scientific management's view isn't the impact of routinization of work through reduced hours?


1. My view on this is that the reformer is saying that even though extra pay (pay differentials) might make a worker more productive, it doesn't give workers better working conditions like reduced hours does. So pay is an antidote, but does not solve the root problem.
(This is different from the official ETS interpretation but I think mine makes more sense)

2. Routinization, aka scientific management, increases productivity (output). But it impacts working conditions. So reduced hours helps improve (mitigate) working conditions. (I'm assuming this is for the last question)
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