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Can someone help me with 23? I selected A but wrong
And 25? Where in the passage did the author suggest that the physicists' approach is practical?
And 27? I selected right answer but was wavering at C. I feel like C is applied only to mathematicians not all scientists, correct me if I'm wrong
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I think your 5/7 is still a great score, as this passage's difficulty level was hard.

For 23, Scientists believed that small perturbations in an equation or a premise is inevitable. On the other hand, mathematics are the ones who take axioms lierally. So, E is the correct answer.


For 25, Though it is not directly stated that physicists' approach to scientific investigations is practical. the author does agree that physicists and scientific approaches are similar. They both disavow literal mindedness techniques that is often embraced by mathematicians.

For 27, Yes, you are correct, option C was in-directed towards mathematicians.


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Can someone help me with 23? I selected A but wrong
And 25? Where in the passage did the author suggest that the physicists' approach is practical?
And 27? I selected right answer but was wavering at C. I feel like C is applied only to mathematicians not all scientists, correct me if I'm wrong
Thank you so much,



I think your 5/7 is still a great score, as this passage's difficulty level was hard.

For 23, Scientists believed that small perturbations in an equation or a premise is inevitable. On the other hand, mathematics are the ones who take axioms lierally. So, E is the correct answer.


For 25, Though it is not directly stated that physicists' approach to scientific investigations is practical. the author does agree that physicists and scientific approaches are similar. They both disavow literal mindedness techniques that is often embraced by mathematicians.

For 27, Yes, you are correct, option C was in-directed towards mathematicians.


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Thank you theBrahmaTiger. I think your explanation for 25 is great. Sometimes, it's not clearly stated, instead a general understanding of the passage will help solve the answer

For 23, after re-examine what I did wrong, I think I probably found the portion of the passage that helps me solve this question "The physicist rightly dreads precise argument, since an argument that is convincing only if it is precise loses all its force if the assumptions on which it is based are slightly changed, whereas an argument that is convincing though imprecise may well be stable under small perturbations of its underlying assumptions." This sentence is complex in the structure and hard to understand fully, but I think it essentially says that - If a perfectly correct argument exists, it will lose all legitimacy if underlying assumption changes even just a bit; and as for a good (not perfectly correct) argument, a slight changes in the underlying assumption will still hold its validity.
Would love to further my understanding of this sentence if anyone willing to help
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It is exactly contrary to your understanding.

The scholars, in this specific case the physicist is scared of an argument that the underlined assumptions are not questionable, apparently, because when it is refuted will fall completely apart, disintegrated.

On the other hand, the argument that is debatable in the end will not lose ALL the underlined assumption but maybe needs small changes in the trajectories but it will NOT fall completely apart and will stand to some extent.

This is basically the suggestion, in a more general way, how our knowledge of the world or the universe will advance.

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As the usual I get the last one wrong.
Could someone elaborate as in where it is stated "some factors in most situations must remain unknown".
I am having issues with the "must", due to which I didn't opt for the answer.

However, since I guess it is healthy to find where the correct answers stems from (even when wrong), would the following sentence be indicative of this as answer being correct-->"The physicist rightly dreads precise argument, since an argument that is convincing only if it is precise loses all its force if the assumptions on which it is based are slightly changed," ?
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As the usual I get the last one wrong.
Could someone elaborate as in where it is stated "some factors in most situations must remain unknown".
I am having issues with the "must", due to which I didn't opt for the answer.

However, since I guess it is healthy to find where the correct answers stems from (even when wrong), would the following sentence be indicative of this as answer being correct-->"The physicist rightly dreads precise argument, since an argument that is convincing only if it is precise loses all its force if the assumptions on which it is based are slightly changed," ?
Thank you for your answers.
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This very healthy skepticism is foreign to the mathematical approach.

This line and the sentence preceding it is implying why scientists develop healthy skepticism. Scientists including physicists are aware that they have made theoretical assumptions, that their theories are not perfect, that the assumptions MAY contain some invisible elements.

This indicates that some parts IN MOST SITUATIONS (NOT IN ALL SITUATIONS) must remain unknown, so they develop skepticism.
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Such a long article @carcass. Do they really expect us to solve all these in such limited time?
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Such a long article @carcass. Do they really expect us to solve all these in such limited time?


No, I am not :)

But ETS yes 8-)

However, think that the passages in the GRE now are shorter than this old RC
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Damn! Got the inference one wrong. Was confused between D and E :/
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27. The author implies that scientists develop a healthy skepticism because they are aware that
(B) changes in axiomatic propositions will inevitably undermine scientific arguments
Incorrect trap answer. But not supported in passage.
(E) some factors in most situations must remain unknown
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Physicists, looking at the original Schrodinger equation, learn to sense in it the presence of
many invisible terms in addition to the differential terms visible, and this sense inspires an entirely appropriate
disregard for the purely technical features of the equation. This very healthy skepticism….


Actually, B does have support in the passage in the last paragraph - I just don't think it was helping us understand the development of healthy skepticism.

To answer a previous question why E is right, even though it has such an extreme wording ("must remain unknown"), I think because the author says healthy skepticism is not a part of the "mathematical approach", healthy skepticism is part of the scientific approach (using the block of 4 reasoning). Also, earlier in the second paragraph, it is stated that dealing with reality results in making "imperfectly understood" assumptions as a "normal" occurence.

However, I am still a little confused. My qualm about this choice is the word "normally" - "normally" means "usually", which does not fit with the word "must" in answer choice E.

If someone can help me understand the last part, it would be greatly appreciated!
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Since science tries to deal with reality, even the most precise sciences normally work with more or less imperfectly understood approximations toward which scientists must maintain an appropriate skepticism. Thus, for instance, it may come as a shock to mathematicians to learn that the Schrodinger equation for the hydrogen atom is not a literally correct description of this atom, but only an approximation to a somewhat more correct equation taking account of spin, magnetic dipole, and relativistic effects; and that this corrected equation is itself only an imperfect approximation to an infinite set of quantum field-theoretical equations. Physicists, looking at the original Schrodinger equation, learn to sense in it the presence of many invisible terms in addition to the differential terms visible, and this sense inspires an entirely appropriate disregard for the purely technical features of the equation. This very healthy skepticism is foreign to the mathematical approach.


27. The author implies that scientists develop a healthy skepticism because they are aware that

(A) mathematicians are better able to solve problems than are scientists

Not what the passage above says

(B) changes in axiomatic propositions will inevitably undermine scientific arguments


Not what the passage above says

(C) well-defined situations are necessary for the design of reliable experiments

Not what the passage above says

(D) mathematical solutions can rarely be applied to real problems

Not what the passage above says

(E) some factors in most situations must remain unknown

Correct


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Carcass I'm having confusion in the last question. Why the answer is not B? I'm inferring the answer from the last paragraph.

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BTW I explained in depth just above your reply :) very in depth

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7. The author implies that scientists develop a healthy skepticism because they are aware that
(E) some factors in most situations must remain unknown-Correct

Thus, for instance, it may come as a shock to mathematicians to learn that the Schrodinger equation for the hydrogen atom is not a literally correct description of this atom, but only an approximation to a somewhat more correct equation taking account of spin, magnetic dipole, and relativistic effects; and that this corrected equation is itself only an imperfect approximation to an infinite set of quantum field-theoretical equations. Physicists, looking at the original Schrodinger equation, learn to sense in it the presence of many invisible terms in addition to the differential terms visible, and this sense inspires an entirely appropriate disregard for the purely technical features of the equation. This very healthy skepticism is foreign to the mathematical approach.

Let me know if now is clear
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I am wondering if anybody could help me to break down this sentence's grammatical structure. I know those bold parts are adjective clauses but due to the reduced form, it's hard to understand how the 1st and 2nd bold parts are related.

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The mathematicians turn the scientists' theoretical assumptions, that is, their convenient points of analytical emphasis, into axioms, and then take these axioms literally

The math guys turned the assumptions of the scientists - which is what they really think about a problem or a scenario in which they have different thoughts and of which the scientists try to find out the gap between what the observe and what are the possible conclusion of the phenomenon into consideration - into rules or laws. Or in other words, turns the theory in something of concrete
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Thanks for the explanation. If I am correct -" that is " is giving information about the assumption. Who "their" is referring to-the mathematician or the scientist?

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The mathematicians turn the scientists' theoretical assumptions, that is, their convenient points of analytical emphasis, into axioms, and then take these axioms literally

The math guys turned the assumptions of the scientists - which is what they really think about a problem or a scenario in which they have different thoughts and of which the scientists try to find out the gap between what the observe and what are the possible conclusion of the phenomenon into consideration - into rules or laws. Or in other words, turns the theory in something of concrete
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