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I dont know how to solve this...I think its D
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(x^2yz-8x^2z+3yz-24z\) is being compared against 0
the first step is to recognise that the expression is not equal to 0
next is to recognise that it can be factorized
The factored form of the expression will be equal to
(x^2z + 3z)(y-8) compared to 0
since we are not given any value for y, we should divide both sides by (y-8) leaving only the expressions that can be compared since 0 divided by any expression / number will always be zero
this would be (x^2z + 3z) and 0
given that we know that the values of x and z are both positive, it automatically means that A would always be greater
Therefore the answer is A
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Great explanation.

The answer is A NOT D

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Re: x>9 and z>2 [#permalink]
but why cant we factorise it
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Of course you can

\(z(x^2y - 8x^2+3y-24)\)

\(zx^2(y-8) + (y-8)\)

At this point basically what we looking for is

\(zx^2+1\)

\(z(x^2+1)\)

\(x>9\)

\(z>2\)

\(2(9^2+1) >0\)
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Of course you can

\(z(x^2y - 8x^2+3y-24)\)

\(zx^2(y-8) + (y-8)\)


But we still don't know what y is. Since x>9 and z>2, we can pick x=10 and z=3
Plugging those in gives us 3(10^2)(y-8)+(y+8) = 300(y-8)+(y+8).
y could still be any value.
If y=1, we get 300(1-8)+(1+8) = -2091
If y=10 we get 300(10-8)+(10+8) = 618

It could still be both greater than or less than 0
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Re: x>9 and z>2 [#permalink]
if we take (y-8) common then the answer will depend on the value of y.
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Re: x>9 and z>2 [#permalink]
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Of course you can

\(z(x^2y - 8x^2+3y-24)\)

\(zx^2(y-8) + (y-8)\)

At this point basically what we looking for is

\(zx^2+1\)

\(z(x^2+1)\)

\(x>9\)

\(z>2\)

\(2(9^2+1) >0\)


can u please elaborate how u moved to line 2 of the factorization ?? (in bold) how did u get this??
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Re: x>9 and z>2 [#permalink]
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Carcass wrote:
Of course you can

\(z(x^2y - 8x^2+3y-24)\)

\(zx^2(y-8) + (y-8)\)

At this point basically what we looking for is

\(zx^2+1\)

\(z(x^2+1)\)

\(x>9\)

\(z>2\)

\(2(9^2+1) >0\)


can u please elaborate how u moved to line 2 of the factorization ?? (in bold) how did u get this??


Shouldnt the second step be--- zx^2(y-8) + 3z(y-8)
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Shouldnt the second step be--- zx^2(y-8) + 3z(y-8)


Yes. Good catch. Totally true.

\(x^2yz-8x^2z+3yz-24z\)

\(x^2x (y-8) + yz-8z\) notice here how we can simplify by 3

\(x^2 (y-8)+z(y-8)\) drop out \((y-8)\)

\(x^2+z\)

At this point, we do know that \(x>9\) and \(z>2\)

\(A>B\)
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Re: x>9 and z>2 [#permalink]
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So whenever the question is comparing any value to "0" in these quantitative comparison questions, start thinking about factoring because that might be a way out. As it turns out, if you DONT factor, you'll get the same answer I got when I originally tried this question (D, which isn't right). You won't see the answer unless you factor, but again, if you see "0" in a question quant comparison question like this, go ahead and just set the other side equal to 0 and start factoring away.

Even if you don't recognize the full factoring of the equation, you can still factor out a "z" from each of the components.

z * (x^2y - 8x^2 + 3y - 24)

That second part of the equation should be a lot easier to factor with some trial and error

z * (x^2 +3) ( y-8)

Great, so now you know that if you're hypothetically setting this all equal to 0, you can divide both sides by y-8.

Now you only have positive values on the left hand side because of the given values of x and z, so A must be greater than 0.

A is the answer.
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Re: y>9 and z>2 [#permalink]
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\(y>9\)

\(z>2\)

Quantity A
Quantity B
\(x^2yz-8x^2z+3yz-24z\)
\(0\)



A) Quantity A is greater.
B) Quantity B is greater.
C) The two quantities are equal.
D) The relationship cannot be determined from the information given.


This is a tricky question, but with some factoring we can make sense of it.

\(x^2yz-8x^2z+3yz-24z\)

First, notice that \(x^2yz-8x^2z\) has common factors of \(x^2\) and \(z\), so lets factor those out.

\(x^2z(y-8)+3yz-24z\)

Now notice that \(3yz-24z\) has common factors of \(3\) and \(z\), so let's factor those out:

\(x^2z(y-8)+3z(y-8)\)

From here, we can factor out a factor \((y-8)\):

\((y-8)(x^2z+3z)\)

Then from here we can factor out a factor of \(z\) from \((x^2z+3z)\):

\((y-8)(z)(x^2+3)\)

Since \(y > 9\), \(y - 8 > 0\), so the \((y-8)\) portion of that equation is positive.
Since \(z > 2\), we know that the \((z)\) portion of that equation is positive.
Finally, since \(x^2\) is always positive or 0, and \(3\) is positive, \((x^2+3)\) is positive.

So we have a positive*positive*positive in Quantity A, and 0 in Quantity B.

Therefore, Quantity A is greater.
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Re: y>9 and z>2 [#permalink]
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x^2yz-8x^2z+3yz-24z

z(x^2y-8x^2+3y-24)
z(x^2y+3y-8x^2-24)
z[y(x^2+3)-8(x^2+3)]
z(y-8)(x^2+3)

since y>9, z>2

z>0, y-8>0, x^2+3>0

Therefore

z(y-8)(x^2+3) > 0

Final Answer: A
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Hi,

I have a quick question on the scope of gre quant as if we assume that x can be imaginary number, answer may be D.

Definition:
x^2 = x * x
-i ^2 = -1

Case1:
ex, x= 0 , y = 10 , z =3
x^2yz−8x^2z+3yz−24z = 0-0 + 3*10*3 - 24*3 = 18 > 0

Case2:
( ex, x= 100i , y = 10 , z = 3 )
x^2 = -10000 and the equation in the question will be less than 0.

x^2yz−8x^2z+3yz−24z = -10000*3*10 -(8*-10000*3) + 3*10*3 - 24*3 = -10000(30-24) + 90 - 72 = -59982< 0

Is it fair and safe that imaginary numbers are out of scope from gre guant test ?
I picked A as answer but was not so sure.

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Originally posted by Gocha on 19 Jan 2021, 11:16.
Last edited by Gocha on 20 Jan 2021, 09:14, edited 1 time in total.
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The GRE specifically deal with real numbers!!
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The GRE specifically deal with real numbers!!


Hi Carcass,

Thank you for clarification, understood. It helps me a lot where to focus.

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Gocha wrote:
Carcass wrote:
The GRE specifically deal with real numbers!!


Hi Carcass,

Thank you for clarification, understood. It helps me a lot where to focus.

Best,
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